Debating - an intellectual exercise - part I
As the Economist Debate series (1) -currently on education - is quickly approaching its end, we find that we can no longer postpone writing our article on debating.
I discovered debating quite late in University (2, 3). Deeply disappointed by the lack of flexibility in the engineering curriculum and the unidirectional nature of lectures, I tried to find something to quell my need for interaction (the cerebral kind) and most of all, my need to argue (peacefully) - there were other reasons as well, but they are beyond the scope of this article. I thus volunteered for several clubs & organizations and joined the debating club. I don't think I can adequately explain how great that experience was and how indebted I am to that club for opening my mind, polishing my presentation, public speaking and persuasive skills.
Before going into details, let me quickly list some of the prejudices against debating, which I will hopefully deconstruct in this article. Some people think that debating is:
Obviously, I believe the above are wrong. But before responding directly, let me start with what competitive debating is about.Quick Intro
There are several debating styles. At U of T, the prevailing styles were Canadian (obviously), British Parliamentary and American. There are minor differences between the styles, but we will leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine what they are, possibly using the links in the Sources section and especially the PDF guide (4). We will only provide an overview of what most debates are like with the strong advice to consult the guide for clearer directions.
In a typical debate there are two major camps: the Government (Gov) and the Opposition (Opp). In most debates, this means 2 teams of 2 people each, although it is possible to have 2 teams on each side as well. On Gov side, this is usually the prime-minister (PM) and the minister of the crown (MC), while on Opp side, we have the leader of the opposition (LO) and the member of the opposition (MO).
The debate starts with with a topic / resolution, for instance, the current economist.com topic (1) : "be it resolved that social networking brings positive change to education". The Gov will then try to prove this point, while the Opp will try to disprove it. In most cases, the Gov gets to choose the topic, although it is also possible that the topic or resolution is forced upon the two teams. In a tournament, the resolution is usually a general statement, such as a famous quote, and the Gov is free to choose any topic for the debate, as long as they tie it in the actual resolution with a clever opening sentence.
The topic the Gov chooses must be debatable. That means that topics involving narrow, technical knowledge, truisms (the Earth revolves around the Sun), etc are not to be chosen. The Gov must then frame the debate and reveal the topic within the first few sentences of the PM's speech. The PM is the first to speak and does so for 7 minutes. This is probably the most important speech of the debate. If the PM fails to frame the debate properly, the debate is phsckd. The PM must not only frame the debate, but should also provide several strong constructive points to sustain their position. The MO comes next with another 7 minutes. He does not only attack each and every point made by the PM, but should also come up with at least three constructive points in favour of the opposite point of view. The MC follows the MO and does some damage control, rebuilding the Gov case, patching it up by attacking the MO's constructive points, reaffirming the PM's initial points and hopefully throwing in a few more constructive points of his own, all in 7 minutes as well. The LO was been waiting a while and as such is richly rewarded with 10 minutes of uninterrupted prosperity. The LO has to refute the MC first, but also the PM's constructive, then come up with another 3 points of his own. The PM then gets 3 minutes of damage control. He can and should point out mistakes in the LO speech and refute the LO's points. He also has to rebuild (or at least restate) the Gov's strongest points. The PM cannot bring anything new in her last 3 minute speech.
Points of Information (POIs) are a formalized manner to interrupt a speech. Sometimes they are allowed, sometimes they aren't. The way it usually works is you stand up with your hand extended (or a pose similar to that in that sword sport, forgot its name). It is up to the debater speaking at that time to "take" your point. If they don't, they may lose points with the judge. If they do, it's a great opportunity for you to send them off-track.
If debating within a University team, you will be able to participate at heavily subsidized tournaments, where your hotel, meals and transportation are often fully covered for several days. The booze and other substances are usually provided by the hosts and hostesses. Be prepared to waste your nights partying.Quick Tips
A wise man said - and I paraphrase, since I cannot find the exact quote right now - that we like to admire people's opinions like we do dogs, without having to take them home with us.
In our next segment we will take a look at logical fallacies, with examples from forums. Until then, be sure to join the Economist debate (1).Quotes
“According to most studies, people’s number one fear is public speaking. Number two is death. Death is number two. Does that seem right? That means to the average person, if you have to go to a funeral, you’re better off in the casket than doing the eulogy”. - Jerry Seinfeld
It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.
Joseph Joubert
The extra curricular activity in which I was most engaged - debating - helped shape my interests in public policy.
Joseph E. Stiglitz
“When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate.” Addison Whithecomb
“Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate.”
Hubert H. Humphrey
"A man never tells you anything until you contradict him." George Bernard Shaw
"Arguing is really saying, "If you were really more like me, then I could like you better."" Wayne Dyer
"Did you ever notice how difficult it is to argue with someone who is not obsessed with being right?" Wayne Dyer
"Don't take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side." Baltasar Gracian
"Exaggeration follows desperation." Chris Bowyer
"He that wrestles with us strengthens our nerves and sharpens our skill. Our antagonist is our helper." Edmund Burke
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." Margaret Thatcher
"I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this, and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don't even invite me." Dave Barry
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me." Dudley Malone
"I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job." Margaret Thatcher
"I wish I could give you a lot of advice, based on my experience of winning political debates. But I don't have that experience. My only experience is at losing them." Richard Nixon
"If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry Truman
"Information, usually seen as the precondition of debate, is better understood as its by-product." Christopher Lasch
"I'm willing to admit that I may not always be right, but I am never wrong." Samuel Goldwyn
"Just as war is freedom's cost, disagreement is freedom's privilege." Bill Clinton
"Men often oppose a thing merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike." Alexander Hamilton
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." Benjamin Disraeli
"Silence is one of the hardest arguments to refute." Josh Billings
"The absent are easily refuted." C.S. Lewis
"The argument is at an end." Saint Augustine
"The best way to win an argument is to begin by being right." Jill Ruckleshaus
"The man who says he is willing to meet you halfway is usually a poor judge of distance." Laurence Peter
"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it." George Bernard Shaw
"The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it." Dale Carnegie
"The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions." Plato
"The sounder your argument, the more satisfaction you get out of it." Edgar Watson Howe
"The well-bred contradict other people. The wise contradict themselves." Oscar Wilde
"There is only one rule for being a good talker - learn to listen." Christopher Morley
"They defend their errors as if they were defending their inheritance." Edmund Burke
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know everything or nothing about it." Henry Kissinger
"Trust the man who hesitates in his speech and is quick and steady in action, but beware of long arguments and long beards." George Santayana
"When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler." Al Gore
"Wise men argue causes, and fools decide them." Frank TygerSources
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US elections - the dream contenders
Why would ConsumedConsumer.org care about the US elections? Frankly, because we cannot afford not to. Most governments take their cues from US. If US talks freedoms, they talk freedom, and torture in secrecy. If US tortures, they kill even more and torture openly. If US encourages stealing and does not punish its high-level crooks, corruption spreads like wildfire in the world. If US endures a housing bubble, the rest of the world has no other choice. And the beat goes on...
Here are the most interesting pairings I would like to see in the upcoming presidential campaign.
1. The Most Likely Candidates: Giuliani vs Hillary. They are also the most annoying, but that seems to be a prerequisite lately. In this pairing, my personal favourite would be Hillary, as I dislike her, complete with that creepy laugh track, less than I dislike the President of 9/11. There is another Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart clip that is a great study of Giuliani's facade, but you have to be an American to be able to watch it (you can only access thedailyshow.com archives through a proxy with an American IP, otherwise they'll redirect you).
2. Possible, but unlikely candidates: Obama vs McCain. They are both down to earth and average, a bit naive, and as such, unlike the first two, they are likeable. Unless they get their act together, neither of them will get to run. I don't have my mind made up about who I'd like to win in such a race, it would be very tough. So far, Obama has been slightly better, since McCain gave a speech to the Christian right about how important it is to have a Christian president (rather silly, since all American presidents have been and probably always will be Christians).
3. The ideal pair: Kucinich vs Ron Paul. They are the most principled, the most honest, the least likely to compromise their ideals, the only ones to have voted consistently against the war in Iraq, the only ones to end it immediately upon nomination, and as such, the least likely to get to run for president. My all time favourite is clearly Ron Paul. Not only he's a Libertarian, like myself, but he's an all-around awesome, honest, amazing man. Read more about Ron Paul and you'll see why. If you haven't heard about them and don't know who they are, the following clips will likely give you an idea.
Kucinich & wife
Ron Paul Tea Party 07 (5:33)
Ron Paul Stop Dreaming (8:46)
Ron Paul Speaks the Truth (13:41)
Ron Paul @ Google (65min, but well worth it)
Finally, after so much pro Ron Paul stuff, here something apparently against him: Republicans and Democrats, Please Protect Us from Ron Paul! :)
OK, these clips were nice, but what if you really haven't followed the US race for president, don't know anything else and would like to get up to speed? Watch one of Jon Stewart's segments on "Clusterf@#k To The White House" (Clusterf@#k is a term used mostly in the military, meaning huge, messy, chaotic movement of a large group). I would normally link to YouTube, but the war that Viacom is waging upon everybody else means that you can no longer find clips from their properties on YouTube. The clip is available for download in two formats: Windows Media and QuickTime. The clips are provided courtesy of the Crooks and Liars blog, which seems to be the only place where you can still access TDS clips, irrespective where you are in the world. You see, Comedy Central's excellent collection of TDS clips is only accessible to Americans. If your IP belongs to another country, you'll be redirected elsewhere. Once again, thank the beloved Viacom and its decrepit CEO for this.


